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    I'm gutted not to have seen this race. I understand that it was fairly classic Monaco, and I'd argue that the last time we saw that was in 1996 when only three cars crossed the line and Panis won it. Just goes to show that there is still a place for the old street-track, though safety must be increasingly difficult there.

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    Well done BMW Sauber. Well done Kubica & Heidfeld. Drive of the day shared between them (but probably Kubica really) although special mention to David Coulthard.

    An interesting race to be sure. Lots of incidents & lots of good scraps to see.
    Brain fade of the day is obviously Hamilton closely followed by Rosberg.

    The track was bloody awful but they just about got it usable. Weather was brilliant though.

    1st Kubica
    2nd Heidfeld
    3rd Coulthard
    4th Glock
    5th Massa
    6th Trulli
    7th Barachello
    8th Vettel

    This result has made the driver & manufacturer championships far more interesting.

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    I adore the Canadian race. The track might be old and decrepid but it does give us a good race most years. Then we go to the US and it's generally boring.

    I'm really pleased for Kubica, especially as he had a horrendous smash in Canada last year, it seems fitting he should get his first win there. I really rate him as a driver and this year he's come on leaps and bounds. I have BMW as one of my fantasy F1 teams and picked Heidfeld ahead of Kubica at the start of the year because I thought he'd be more consistent, but I switched them a couple of races ago.

    Hamilton... well you can really go off a guy. He's said he saw them stopping and didn't break in time, but the reality is they were already stopped and he didn't slow at all. All he had in his head was to get out first, and I think he probably panicked when he saw cars ahead and didn't react. I do want him to do well, but the mistakes he makes are often quite characteristically young, but also more than a bit arrogant, which I think sparked the big fan backlash last year. It's frustrating because he's very mature in many ways, but so green in others. Still, I guess he'll learn, particularly as he's sat in tenth place at best on the grid in French.

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    Quite amusing that, before the race when asked about his father's crash, Hamilton said something along the lines of "I was laughing. How can anyone crash a car at 30 miles an hour". Disregarding for a moment the fact that most crashes probably occur at around that speed, he was reportedly doing 25 when he ploughed into the back of a Ferrari at a red light

    Someone should immortalise that by editing it together into a Youtube clip or something.

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    Well the new season gets underway next weekend with the Australian Grand Prix.

    Anyone else going to be watching?

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    I will be, but not live at 6 or 7 am! I'll settle for the re-run at lunchtime and hope I avoid the result beforehand! Then I think I'm out and about for 3 races coming up, but the 7pm highlights on BBC3 is a nice slot so I'll probably be making use of that this season.

    Nice to see it back where it belongs on the Beeb and relieved to know that they're not introducing that stupid sounding new method of scoring just yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Gently View Post
    Well the new season gets underway next weekend with the Australian Grand Prix.

    Anyone else going to be watching?
    me me me me me me me!
    but I'll probably record the Australian Grand Prix and watch it Sunday morning .
    I just have to remember the channel change!
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    Good to hear chaps. It'll be nice to chat about it.

    Oh, and 'that' track is back!

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    Yes, it's great to have The Chain back, and exactly as it was too. I still hate the way they ruined the snooker theme.

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    This years teams & drivers are:-

    McLaren - Lewis Hamilton & Heikki Kovalainen

    Brawn GP - Jenson Button & Rubens Barrichello

    Ferrari - Felipe Massa & Kimi Raikkonen

    BMW - Sauber Robert Kubica & Nick Heidfeld

    Renault - Fernando Alonso & Nelson Piquet Jr

    Toyota - Jarno Trulli & Timo Glock

    Toro Rosso-Ferrari - Sebastien Bourdais & Sebastien Buemi

    Red Bull-Renault - Mark Webber & Sebastian Vettel

    Williams-Toyota - Nico Rosberg & Kazuki Nakajima

    Force India - Adrian Sutil & Giancarlo Fisichella

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    The Grid looks like this!

    1, J Button Brawn GP
    2, R Barrichello Brawn GP
    3, S Vettel Red Bull
    4, R Kubica BMW Sauber
    5, N Rosberg Williams
    6, T Glock Toyota
    7, F Massa Ferrari
    8, J Trulli Toyota
    9, K Raikkonen Ferrari
    10, M Webber Red Bull
    11, N Heidfeld BMW Sauber
    12, F Alonso Renault
    13, K Nakajima Williams
    14, H Kovalainen McLaren
    15, L Hamilton McLaren (Although he never took part in Q2, Drive train issues).
    16, S Buemi Toro Rosso
    17, N Piquet Jr Renault
    18, G Fisichella Force India
    19, A Sutil Force India
    20, S Bourdais Toro Rosso

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    Jenson Button has just set off like someone has told him his house is on fire!
    Where as Rubens Barichello set off like hie car was on ice.
    And it looks like Lewis Hamilton is light on fuel as he is slicing through the field like the proverbial hot knife.

    Good race so far.

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    Well done Jenson, and I'm sure Lewis will be very happy with 3rd having started 18th and with Ferrari picking up no points! Good stuff - let's hope the rest of the season can be as unpredictable.
    Last edited by Jonno; 29th Mar 2009 at 3:08 PM.

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    I hate it when late penalties change the finish order and make the podium unrepresentative of the final result
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    I thought it was an excellent race, plenty of incident and overtaking.

    Phil, if you hate late changes then you're going to hate the upcoming hearing after Malaysia, that could change everything if it goes the wrong way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Gently View Post
    Phil, if you hate late changes then you're going to hate the upcoming hearing after Malaysia, that could change everything if it goes the wrong way.
    They've said that the results of the first two races will stand regardless of the decision reached on Tuesday.
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    Oh well in that case:-
    My home team are romping away with the title!






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    The grid as it looks after all penalties according to the BBC page:-

    1 Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:35.181
    2 Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:35.273
    3 Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:35.518
    4 Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:35.651
    5 Timo Glock 10 Toyota 1:35.690
    6 Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:35.750
    7 Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:35.797
    8 Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:36.106
    9 Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:36.170
    10 Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:37.659
    11 Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:34.769
    12 Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:34.788
    13 Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.905
    14 Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:34.924
    15 Sebastien Bourdais 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:35.431
    16 Felipe Massa 3 Ferrari 1:35.642
    17 Nelson Piquet Jr 8 Renault 1:35.708
    18 Giancarlo Fisichella 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:35.908
    19 Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:35.951
    20 Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:36.107

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    I'm so going to rain on your parade!

    That's the grid before any penalties have been applied.

    This is the grid after all penalties have been applied:
    1. BUTTON Brawn
    2. TRULLI Toyota
    3. GLOCK Toyota
    4. ROSBERG Williams
    5. WEBBER Red Bull
    6. KUBICA BMW
    7. RAIKKONEN Ferrari
    8. ALONSO Renault
    9. BARRICHELLO Brawn*
    10. HEIDFELD BMW
    11. NAKAJIMA Williams
    12. HAMILTON McLaren
    13. VETTEL Red Bull**
    14. KOVALAINEN McLaren
    15. BOURDAIS Toro Rosso
    16. MASSA Ferrari
    17. PIQUET Renault
    18. FISICHELLA Force India
    19. SUTIL Force India
    20. BUEMI Toro Rosso

    * five-place penalty for gearbox change

    ** 10-place penalty carried from Melbourne
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil L View Post
    They've said that the results of the first two races will stand regardless of the decision reached on Tuesday.
    Well recent news was saying that the first two results would not have stood...but this is now irrelevant as the FIA have deemed the rear diffusers legal & everything is to remain as it is. Bring on China et al!

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    I've never really understood what the delay with this was. Surely the rules abotu bodywork are always quite clear as regards dimensions, positioning, weight, materials etc. It should have taken about 5 minutes to decide whether they were legal or not.

    As usual though, it seems to be the case that if a "small" team comes up with a clever bit of design and engineering that gives them a huge advantage over the "big" teams, then they start crying foul and get the rules changed. Although happily it doesn't seem to have worked out in their favour for once.

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    Had it just been Ferrari that was disadvantaged then I'm sure it would have been a different result.

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    The grid according to BBC!.

    1 Ger Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1:36.184
    2 Spa Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 1:36.381
    3 Aus Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 1:36.466
    4 Brz Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 1:36.493
    5 GB Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 1:36.532
    6 Ita Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 1:36.835
    7 Ger Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 1:37.397
    8 Fin Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 1:38.089
    9 GB Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:38.595
    10 Swi Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:39.321
    11 Ger Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 1:35.975
    12 Fin Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:36.032
    13 Brz Felipe Massa 3 Ferrari 1:36.033
    14 Jpn Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 1:36.193
    15 Fra Sebastien Bourdais 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:36.906
    16 Brz Nelson Piquet Jr 8 Renault 1:36.908
    17 Pol Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 1:36.966
    18 Ger Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 1:37.669
    19 Ger Timo Glock 10 Toyota 1:36.066
    20 Ita Giancarlo Fisichella 21 Force India-Mercedes 1:37.672

    Excellent showing by Red Bull.
    Interesting to see Alonso up there. I wonder how light on fuel he is?
    Piquet's days as an F1 driver must be numbered surely?
    Massa fails to get past 2nd qualifying, what is wrong with him this year? Kimi is 2 seconds faster~!

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    Only me interested in this then.


    1 - Sebastian Vettel 15 Red Bull-Renault 1 1:57:43.485 10
    2 - Mark Webber 14 Red Bull-Renault 3 1:57:54.455 8
    3 - Jenson Button 22 Brawn-Mercedes 5 1:58:28.460 6
    4 - Rubens Barrichello 23 Brawn-Mercedes 4 1:58:47.189 5
    5 - Heikki Kovalainen 2 McLaren-Mercedes 12 1:58:48.587 4
    6 - Lewis Hamilton 1 McLaren-Mercedes 9 1:58:55.351 3
    7 - Timo Glock 10 Toyota 19 1:58:57.961 2
    8 - Sebastien Buemi 12 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 10 1:58:59.924 1
    9 - Fernando Alonso 7 Renault 2 1:59:07.794 0
    10 - Kimi Raikkonen 4 Ferrari 8 1:59:15.235 0
    11 - Sebastien Bourdais 11 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 15 1:59:17.641 0
    12 - Nick Heidfeld 6 BMW Sauber 11 1:59:19.319 0
    13 - Robert Kubica 5 BMW Sauber 17 1:59:30.338 0
    14 - Giancarlo Fisichella 21 Force India-Mercedes 20 lapped 0
    15 - Nico Rosberg 16 Williams-Toyota 7 lapped 0
    16 - Nelson Piquet Jr 8 Renault 16 lapped 0
    17 - Adrian Sutil 20 Force India-Mercedes 18 lapped 0
    RET - Kazuki Nakajima 17 Williams-Toyota 14 retired, 43 laps 0
    RET - Felipe Massa 3 Ferrari 13 retired, 20 laps 0
    RET - Jarno Trulli 9 Toyota 6 retired, 18 laps 0

    Excellent result for Red Bull & quite frankly, based on the last two races, well done to McLaren as well. To be honest Hamilton could have been 4th had he kept it on the black stuff & pointing in the right direction.
    Worst start to a season for Ferrari since the very early 80's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Gently View Post
    Only me interested in this then.
    Yes, just you then!

    Quote Originally Posted by Dirk Gently View Post
    Worst start to a season for Ferrari since the very early 80's.
    Will next week's one compound the misery?
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