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6th May 2008, 7:39 PM #1
Not alone?
If Romana was in e-space, she could have avoided the time war. If the Master and the Rani survived and came back, could Romana be brought back to the new series? If so, would you be in favour of the idea?
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6th May 2008, 7:48 PM #2Captain Tancredi Guest
The trouble would be that the books and audios have played around so much with Romana. If you read, say, 'Blood Harvest' (can't see that one presenting you with many problems somehow- it's a sequel to 'State of Decay'!), 'The Shadows of Avalon' and 'The Ancestor Cell', you'll get my meaning.
On the other hand, it might be interesting to just have some random female character turn up, get to the end of the episode and say "You still haven't recognised me, have you, Doctor?".
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6th May 2008, 7:50 PM #3
Does the tv series follow on from books and audios?
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6th May 2008, 7:53 PM #4
No, not really. Romana could come back I would have thought.
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6th May 2008, 7:57 PM #5
I think it would be awesome to bring back Romana!
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6th May 2008, 8:01 PM #6Captain Tancredi Guest
Not even Russell T Davies is allowed to answer that question- seriously.
It's perhaps more the case that the books written in the 1990s and up to 2005 saw themselves as taking place in between 'Survival' and the Paul McGann movie (basically all the Virgin New Adventures), and between the movie and some yet-to-be-determined point prior to 'Rose' where the Eighth Doctor regenerates. The audios take place at random points in between the Fifth and Eighth Doctors' eras, depending on the Doctor/companion combination.
None of this is allowed to influence the production of the current TV series- BBC rules are quite strict on not using tie-ins to tell background story, the idea being that the licence payer shouldn't have to pay extra to understand what they're watching. So the Time War happens off screen and we may never know exactly what happened to the Eighth Doctor- there's an unknown period of time in between 'The Gallifrey Chronicles' (the last Eighth Doctor book) and 'Rose'.
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6th May 2008, 8:58 PM #7
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6th May 2008, 9:41 PM #8
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If there's a good story with a point to bringing her back, then why not? I felt that when the Master died and the Doctor claimed he would know if there were other time lords left it was just another thing he's been sure of, ready to be wrong.
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7th May 2008, 12:03 AM #9
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It would be neat if the books were cannon, I just don't think that would be possible. At least not ALL of them. The most obvious reason is the "Family of Blood" episodes. They were taken from the books, thus eliminating at least some of them from Dr. Who cannon. It would be possible to have somebody go through, and choose which were cannon, but man... that is opening a whole can of worms. Though I hate this, the best option would be to either let the fans choose themselves what they consider cannon, or bring McCoy and McGann back and do some sort of "official" Dr. Who history. I doubt that will ever happen though...
So anyway, it's probably best they just leave that era of Dr. Who alone. I would LOVE IT if they brought McGann into the series to team up with Tennant, in some sort of way to show us the fans what happened in the Time War. Man, I would LOVE it if McGann showed up and did ANYTHING on the show. Like all people from Dr. Who past, the longer it takes to happen, the less likely it will. Still, I can dream...
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7th May 2008, 9:42 AM #10
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7th May 2008, 10:15 AM #11At least not ALL of them. The most obvious reason is the "Family of Blood" episodes. They were taken from the books, thus eliminating at least some of them from Dr. Who cannon.
I totally agree that they should be left alone though, not least because they're almost all out of print now. Also because about 300 books were published.
Can't we have Benny Summerfield in the new series?!?!!Pity. I have no understanding of the word. It is not registered in my vocabulary bank. EXTERMINATE!
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7th May 2008, 10:20 AM #12I’m being extremely clever up here and there’s no one to stand around looking impressed! What’s the point in having you all?
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7th May 2008, 2:26 PM #13
That's what I was going to say, Duncan. There is a mirror in the TARDIS, Teninch uses it in TCI so the implication is that a regeneration has very recently happened.
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7th May 2008, 4:53 PM #14
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To Perry Vale,
Well, from the Fox movie, it couldn't have been McCoy. He was sent by his people to dispose of the Masters remains. It has been publicly stated that Chris was Doc 9, and Tennant is Doc 10. Also, Duncan was right, the episode of ROSE made it seem as if he just recently regenerated.... so, I have no idea who else it could have been if it wasn't McGann. What's your thoughts?
To Rob, ah... you could I guess say the Doctor was having a similiar adventure (concerning the story of Human Nature/Family of Blood) The only thing is that I some of the story was left unchanged, and I believe some of the names were left alone... You could use your argument, I suppose, but I dunno... to me personally, it just doesn't seem satisfactory.
Yeah, concerning the books as cannon. It seems the best is to just leave it alone. The books didn't touch the "last great time war" and thats all the series really needs to explore since "Survival" of the old series.
Also, I WOULD still love to see McGann show up... I personally believe he would have been an incredible Doctor. Thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it! lol. I seem to remember also that Davies, the head hancho, really liked McGann also. It seems to me the teaming would be both a ratings boost, and a fun adventure.... even if they didn't mention the time War. Tennats Doc could just say something along the lines of "...I used to wear that smile a lot... until... the war. At that time, I had no idea on what was coming..." Something along those lines. Me, being a fan, would LOVE IT! Ah well. I'm dreaming!
Thanks!
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7th May 2008, 5:02 PM #17
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Larry,
I've never heard other wise. Who else believes, (and why?), that there was another Doctor in the Time War?
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7th May 2008, 5:08 PM #18
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7th May 2008, 5:28 PM #19Captain Tancredi Guest
I think the other thing they'd need is somebody who can play off the Doctor as well as Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward did. Shame they've already used Sophia Myles...
"Well, it's very nice to see you again, Madame de Pompadour, but..."
"You still haven't guessed, have you, Doctor?"
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7th May 2008, 5:45 PM #20
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7th May 2008, 5:52 PM #21
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I'm reminded of the story where they were casting for the radio version of Hitchhikers'. They were talking about why don't we use someone with a voice that was Peter Jonesy in style. Then eventually someone realised that they might as well use Peter Jones.
End of parable.
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7th May 2008, 5:59 PM #22
Hello Johnman
It was Eccleston of course. The episode ROSE also implies heavily that he's been travelling for some time in this incarnation (Titanic, JFK assasination etc.), so he can't have just regenerated. The only obvious explanation is that he's checking his appearance in the mirror in Rose because he fancies the pants off Billie Piper (as evidenced for the next two series), and is vain about his ears. If he'd wanted to check his regeneration, he'd have already done so with the mirror in the Tardis (as mentioned above), that Tennant later uses.
You can't ask Perry that! He can't stick the movie & he doesn't think it's canon.
“If my sons did not want wars, there would be none.” - Gutle Schnaper Rothschild
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7th May 2008, 5:59 PM #23
I think it's possible to make too much out of the supposed "hint" of a regeneration in Rose. The Doctor looks in a mirror and comments on his appearance. You don't need to have only just regenerated to do that. People do that sort of thing all the time in the real world. Yes, he might have just done, if you want to think that, but it's hardly final clinching proof on its own.
The fact that there might be a "fan consensus" about McGann's Doctor having taken part in the Time War only proves that that's something a lot of fans prefer to think. I don't think there's anything that makes it impossible for it to have been Eccleston's Doctor involved.
I also think his actions in it, as described in Dalek, sound more characteristic of Eccleston's Doctor than McGann's, although that may just be my feeling.Last edited by Logo Polish; 7th May 2008 at 6:15 PM.
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7th May 2008, 6:46 PM #24
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Well hey, I don't like the Fox movie either. Though I disliked it, there were two things I did enjoy. McGann as the Doctor, and the way the Tardis console room now looked. Besides those two, you can wipe some mustard on the rest of the movie, and throw it away. That's my opinion.
So, it comes down to what I stated earlier in that each fan has to basically "pick and choose" their own history from "Survival" to the Time War. Even if you want to throw the Fox movie away, McGann's Doctor is still cannon. His face was in the "Journal of Impossible Things," which appeared in the episode "Human Nature."
Possible Spoiler
I recently read a link which stated that McGann's Doctor will cameo in the season finale of Series 4. The episode is supposed to reveal some facts of the Time War. If this is true, then our friendly argument is settled! lol Time will tell if its true or not.
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7th May 2008, 10:01 PM #25
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