Thread: Dalek chronology?
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15th Dec 2006, 1:23 PM #26Pip Madeley Guest
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15th Dec 2006, 1:28 PM #27
No, i think i'd need something stronger than Champagne to sit through it-it aint no doomsday! And it certainly ain't as good as anything in series 2!
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15th Dec 2006, 1:30 PM #28Pip Madeley Guest
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15th Dec 2006, 1:49 PM #29
It totally undermined any threat and power that had been built up around them. It reversed all the good work of Dalek. daleks are now weak and there is no reson for the Doctor to fear them. So why should the viewers?
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15th Dec 2006, 1:55 PM #30Pip Madeley Guest
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15th Dec 2006, 7:35 PM #31
How would Remembrance be invalidated by the time war?
One theory I read in an online Dalek Chronology was that two factions of Daleks developed on Skaro. The first lot were the force mutated ones developed by Davros and entombed in their bunker by the Thals at the end of Genesis.
The second lot were Kaleds who mutated naturaly over generations, discovered copies of Davros's early designs for travel machines, built the great metal city to accomodate them, called themselves Daleks and over time retconned the original name of their species to the Dals to match. These were the relatively weak and easy to defeat Daleks that could be defeated with mud and rubber sheeting that appeared in The Daleks. They were all killed in their metal city, whereas the ones in the bunker survived, grew stronger, and when the time was right emerged to invade the Earth.
When the Doctor said that the Daleks he and the schoolteachers wiped out must have been in the far future he's obviously just guessing.
He guessed wrong.
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15th Dec 2006, 8:25 PM #32He guessed wrong.
You can make up what you like, but the only facts are that it doesn't make much sense.
Planet of the Daleks may come after The Daleks, because the Thals mentioned that they had met the Doctor before. But it might not, because there might be another, unbroadcast story where they met the Daleks and the Thals.
There could be hundreds of Dalek factions, all serving under different Emperors. There might only be one and the Emperor might be invincible. There's no proof!Pity. I have no understanding of the word. It is not registered in my vocabulary bank. EXTERMINATE!
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15th Dec 2006, 11:18 PM #33Where do you place the Cushing movies?
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16th Dec 2006, 10:40 AM #34
It's a guess. Basically, it figured to me there would be a few Daleks left after Rememberance (and it certainly seems that Davros escaped), so in the event of a time-war, where both sides are changing history to gain the upper hand, that the Daleks would have reversed the destruction of Skaro.
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16th Dec 2006, 2:27 PM #35
I get all my Dalek Chronology info from the big essay in About Time 1.
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16th Dec 2006, 3:43 PM #36
That's what I was about to say.
As for the Time War. It clearly begins in 'Genesis' when the Time Lords actively take a stand against the potential future of the Daleks. We see the Daleks fighting back in 'Ressurection' when they create duplicates of the Doctor and Co to assisinate the High Council. And further, when the Doctor wipes out Skaro in 'Remembrance'.I am out there... somewhere.
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16th Dec 2006, 3:46 PM #37
Don't forget that the Time Lords handily steer the Doctor and TARDIS to Spiridon. The Dalek Conquests CD, which was most enjoyable, also hypothesises that the Time Lords really started to be concerned about the Daleks after the events of Day and all the time travel shenanigans going on there (thus leading nicely in that nudge to Spiridon).
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16th Dec 2006, 3:50 PM #38
'The Time Lords sent you to this planet and.... oh my god, Daleks! What are they doing here? Oh yes, that's right, when we left the Ogron world you set the TARDIS to follow the Daleks here. Hmm. Hang on...'
God knows how they cocked that up between episodes.
But, yes, the Time Lords sending the Doctor to Spiridon could, indeed, be part of the Time War.I am out there... somewhere.
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16th Dec 2006, 4:49 PM #39
Everybody has a point nowadays.
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16th Dec 2006, 5:27 PM #40
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16th Dec 2006, 5:33 PM #41Pip Madeley Guest
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20th Dec 2006, 12:39 PM #42
This used to work for me - I never subscribed to the Genesis changing the course of history mallarky.
GENESIS
THE FIRST ONE
DALEK INVASION OF EARTH
POWER OF THE DALEKS
PLANET OF THE DALEKS (or vice versa)
DEATH TO THE DALEKS
DAY OF THE DALEKS (Daleks develop basic time travel technology and then go back to 22nd Century to reinvade)
THE CHASE (DARDIS technology)
THE DALEKS MASTERPLAN
DESTINY (Dalek technology resources fail after centuries of war with Movellans)
RESSURECTION (Daleks back to using time corridor technology)
REVELATION
EVIL
REMEMBERANCE (They use there limited temporal technology to go back to 1963. Skaro is destroyed in the future by the Hand of Omega)
The new stuff. Whether Doomsday predates Parting of the Ways is up for grabs.
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20th Dec 2006, 11:44 PM #43
Hello Nathan, nice to see you. And nice to see your lovely new avater as well...
So, Daleks, Daleks, Daleks. Here's my two grotzits' worth:
Genesis
Dalek Invasion of Earth
Frontier in Space/Planet of the Daleks
Death to the Daleks
The Chase
Evil of the Daleks
Mission to t'Unknown/DMP
Destiny of the Daleks
Resurrection of the Daleks
Revelation of the Daleks
Dalek/Bad Wolf/TPOTW
Doomsday
The Chase
Remembrance of the Daleks
Day of the Daleks obviously never really happened, and since Power only concerns a lost capsule it could really fit in anywhere.
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20th Dec 2006, 11:59 PM #44Wayne Guest
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21st Dec 2006, 12:00 AM #45
Where would you place The Daleks?
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21st Dec 2006, 7:43 AM #46
Ah, yes, good question. Um...
Mind you, Wayne, they also recognise the Doctor in Evil - in fact, other than in Day of the Daleks, don't they always seem to 'recognise' him, regardless of his physical appearance. Or maybe there's a missing 3rd Troughton Dalek story that, from the Dalek's POV, predates the other two.
As for "The Daleks" I would tend to place that very early in the day (as the Thals know of its events when they turn up in "Planet...") so probably between "Genesis..." and DioE.
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21st Dec 2006, 11:06 AM #47
I've never understood this placing 'Remembrance' after 'Parting of the Ways'. There is no way the Daleks of the new series can be from a time before any previous story... in every concievable way they piss over the Daleks of old. So, I'd put it like this;
'Remembrance'
'Dalek' (although I'm thinking these events don't happen any more since 'Doomsday' is set several years before, and there's no way Van Statten wouldn't know what the Dalek is)
'Parting of the Ways'
'Doomsday'I am out there... somewhere.
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21st Dec 2006, 11:50 AM #48
But do they? The Daleks in rememberance are only destroyed by a massive nitro-9 explosion or by a rocket at the eyestalk. We know from the new series that they eyestalk is a vulnerable part-as shown in Parting of the Ways. In rememberance the Daleks ignore the gunfire and even grenade blasts-and are only blown up by having plastic\ explosives attatched to them when they are disrupted by the doctors electronic thingy. The baseball bat was imbuned with the omega energy and thus rightly caused damage.
My point being is that at no point in Rememberance does anything happen to in anyway suggest the daleks don't actually have the same shields as they do in the new series. IMO they are show to be just as powerful a force as the new series ones.
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21st Dec 2006, 1:05 PM #49
There is a vague implication in TPOTW that when the Time War started, the Daleks disappeared not from one point in history, but all points.
Every Dalek that ever existed may have been called up for the Time War, so all of their previous history was completely nerfed. The legend of the Daleks remained, but nothing else. If you're going after complete mastery of time, you'd want to get as much help as you can.
In this way, it would be impossible for the new Doctor to run into old-style Daleks, because they don't exist any more. Why else would he be so surprised when one turned up in Van Statten's museum? Perhaps it's becasue they had been utterly erased from history, so the Doctor really wasn't expecting to see any Daleks ever again. He realised pretty quickly this Dalek was a survivor of the Time War, rather than assuming it was an 'Old school' Dalek.Pity. I have no understanding of the word. It is not registered in my vocabulary bank. EXTERMINATE!
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21st Dec 2006, 1:08 PM #50
So how come Roderick knows who they were, and that they existed thousands of years earlier?
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