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[Jason Thompson]

Or maybe no aliens were involved at all...

[Stuart Wallis]

Or maybe there was an orgy on the last night between the astronauts and the aliens, one of the aliens got pregnant and their rich daddy had it hushed up! YES! that's CONSPIRACY THEORYWANG!

[Perry Vale]

I thought I'd dig up this thread as it appears we don't have long until The Killshot arrives...

What's people's opinions on all the 9/11 conpsiracy theories? I've never had much time for them in the intervening years, but for some reason got a bit carried away watching vids about them on Youtube this weekend.

I haven't put my tin foil hat on just yet, but am starting to think something about it all is just not quite right, and doesn't add up. I find a lot of it quite worrying, but one thing in particular stood out as amazing that I had no idea about (if I'm not being lied to)....Ted Olson.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/ted-ols...l-denials/8514

Late in the day on 9/11, CNN put out a story that began: “Barbara Olson, a conservative commentator and attorney, alerted her husband, Solicitor General Ted Olson, that the plane she was on was being hijacked Tuesday morning, Ted Olson told CNN.” According to this story, Olson reported that his wife had “called him twice on a cell phone from American Airlines Flight 77,” saying that “all passengers and flight personnel, including the pilots, were herded to the back of the plane by armed hijackers. The only weapons she mentioned were knives and cardboard cutters.”2

Ted Olson’s report was very important. It provided the only evidence that American 77, which was said to have struck the Pentagon, had still been aloft after it had disappeared from FAA radar around 9:00 AM (there had been reports, after this disappearance, that an airliner had crashed on the Ohio-Kentucky border). Also, Barbara Olson had been a very well-known commentator on CNN. The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” Ted Olson’s report was important in still another way, being the sole source of the widely accepted idea that the hijackers had box cutters.3

However, although Ted Olson’s report of phone calls from his wife has been a central pillar of the official account of 9/11, this report has been completely undermined.

His account of this story had changed a couple of times (more detail in the above link), but was ultimately confirmed as untrue during the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui in 2006 by the FBI...

The evidence presented to this trial by the FBI included a report on phone calls from all four 9/11 flights. In its report on American Flight 77, the FBI report attributed only one call to Barbara Olson and it was an “unconnected call,” which (of course) lasted “0 seconds.”9 According to the FBI, therefore, Ted Olson did not receive a single call from his wife using either a cell phone or an onboard phone.

Any opinions on this subject? I'd be particularly interested to hear from Ant if he has one, being a US resident now (IIRC).

Edited to add: I can't help but be reminded of Peter Capaldi's character in Torchwood: CoE having to sacrifice his family when thinking about this...

[Rob McCow]

Conspiracy theorists are very good at guiding your thinking along a certain path, by limiting the possible explanations for what happened.

Also, if Ted Olson’s claim was false, then there are only two possibilities: Either he lied or he was duped by someone using voice-morphing technology to pretend to be his wife.

I think there is a third conclusion here though. On the most stressful day of his life, Ted received a phone call from his wife saying that she was being held hostage on a plane. A short while later, he, along with the rest of the world, is confronted with the images of the Twin Towers being struck by airplanes and collapsing. It's possible that he might not clearly remember the circumstances of the phone call, whether his wife had credit cards, what weapons the terrorists were using etc... and then he was asked to swear under oath, perhaps knowing that his testimony could take the country to war.

No pressure!

[Perry Vale]

I think there is a third conclusion here though. On the most stressful day of his life, Ted received a phone call from his wife saying that she was being held hostage on a plane.......It's possible that he might not clearly remember the circumstances of the phone call...

But that's an extremely unlikely conclusion though as the phone records show there were no phone calls, and Ted talked about TWO from his wife, at length, when interviewed on CNN by Larry King.

So using your thinking I suppose there is a third conclusion to make, he was clinically insane at the time.....

[Rob McCow]

Perhaps not clinically insane, more stressed and confused.

It's only a possibility of course - there could be other explanations. I don't know what they'd be, I've only had a cursory look at the evidence!

[Andrew Curnow]

Is it not possible that in fact Mrs Olson used somebody else's mobile, if she couldn't get a signal/connection on hers (which "unconnected call" might well suggest)? Maybe I'm hopelessly naïve, but in most cases surely the simplest answer is the most likely.


And as to the reasons suggested for the apparent faking of the phone call:

The report that she died in a plane that had been hijacked by Arab Muslims was an important factor in getting the nation’s support for the Bush administration’s “war on terror.”

Really? So Americans are so shallow that they would only get outraged at the death of a celebrity, and wouldn't be affected by the deaths of a plane load of 'anonymous' people? Really?!

[Perry Vale]

Is it not possible that in fact Mrs Olson used somebody else's mobile, if she couldn't get a signal/connection on hers...

From what I've gathered from my readings, not very. Mobile phone technology in 2001 made it almost impossible to make calls once a plane goes higher than 8,000 feet (more unlikely the higher you go) and at the speed the plane would have been travelling. Given the reported timings of the calls (in the plane's flight course) it would have been at least above 20,000 feet, possibly higher.

It is possible that the calls were made from an "airphone" (installed in the seats), but even this is cast in a lot of doubt by some 'research' (here - http://www.globalresearch.ca/phone-c...irliners/16924 )

One of the many points trying to be put forward there is this...

Statements from various representatives of American Airlines that its Boeing 757s did not have onboard phones, the most important of these being Chad Kinder, who, in response to the question whether it was true that there were no “seatback satellite phones on any [American] Boeing 757 on September 11, 2001,” said: “That is correct; we do not have phones on our Boeing 757. The passengers on flight 77 used their own personal cellular phones to make out calls during the terrorist attack.”

....which leaves us going around in circles!

Really? So Americans are so shallow that they would only get outraged at the death of a celebrity, and wouldn't be affected by the deaths of a plane load of 'anonymous' people? Really?!

I think you're perhaps misinterpreting their point. I think they're trying to say that this gave CNN a "narrative" about the supposed hijackers to run with from the very start, from a trusted CNN reporter, being the first to mention their means of takeover, ie. the knives and boxcutters. And not only a trusted reporter, but also the wife of someone who worked for the Department of Justice. Who coincidentally played a big role in stopping the Florida recount that might have stopped Bush from being elected as President in the first place...

Maybe I'm hopelessly naïve, but in most cases surely the simplest answer is the most likely.

Yes, and the simplest answer is that the phone calls didn't come from an airplane in the first place...

If anyone has any links to opposing views to those held in the link above, please feel free to post them, I'd be genuinely interested in reading them.

[Rob McCow]

We're doomed! Even if we're not American.

Submitted by Brandon Smith of Alt-Market blog,

For years now at Alt-Market (and Neithercorp.us) I have carefully outlined the most likely path of collapse to take place within the U.S., and a vital part of that analysis included economic destabilization caused by a loss of the dollar's world reserve status and petro-status. I have also always made clear that this fiscal crisis event would not occur in the midst of a political vacuum. The central banks and international financiers that created our ongoing and developing disaster are NOT going to allow the destruction of the American economy, the dollar, or global markets without a cover event designed to hide their culpability. They need something big. Something so big that the average citizen is overwhelmed with fear and confusion. A smoke and mirrors magic trick so raw and soul shattering it leaves the very population of the Earth mesmerized and helpless to understand the root of the nightmare before them. The elites need a fabricated Apocalypse.

Enter Syria...

I have been warning about the Syrian trigger point for a very long time. Syria's mutual defense pact with Iran, its strong ties to Russia, the Russian naval base off its coast, the advanced Russian weaponry in it's arsenal, its proximity to vulnerable oil shipping lanes, all make the nation a perfect catalyst for a global catastrophe. The civil war in Syria is already spreading into neighboring countries like Iraq, Jordan, and Lebanon, and if one looks at the facts objectively, the entire war is a product of covert action on the part of the U.S. and its allies.

The U.S. trained, armed, and funded the insurgency using Al Qaeda operatives. Saudi Arabia has sent funding and arms as well. Israel has aided the rebels using air strikes within Syria's borders (even though this means that the Israeli government is essentially helping their supposed mortal enemies). This war would NOT be taking place today without the express efforts of the West. Period.

If one takes more than a brief examination of the Syrian insurgency, they would find an organization of monsters. Wretched amoral wetwork ghouls whose crimes have been thoroughly documented, including the mass executions of unarmed captured soldiers, the torture and beheading of innocent civilians, the mutilation and cannibalism of dead bodies, and the institution of theological tyranny on a terrified populace. The U.S. created and unleashed these demons, and now, we the people are being asked by the White House to support them through force of arms.

But what is the goal here...?

The goal, I believe, is to utterly transform the world's political, economic, and social systems. The goal is to generate intense fear; fear that can be used as capital to buy, as the globalists call it, a “new world order”. Syria is the first domino in a long chain of calamities; what the Rand Corporation sometimes refers to as a “linchpin”. As I write this, the Obama Administration is moving naval and ground forces into position and clamoring in a painfully pathetic fashion to convince the American public that 90% of us are “wrong” and that a strike on Syria is, in fact, necessary. It appears that the establishment is dead set on starting this chain reaction and accelerating the global collapse. So, if a strike does occur, what can we expect to happen over the next few years? Here is a rundown...

1) Many U.S. allies will refrain from immediate participation in an attack on Syria. Obama will continue unilaterally (or with the continued support of Israel and Saudi Arabia), placing even more focus on the U.S. as the primary cause of the crisis.

2) Obama will attempt to mitigate public outcry by limiting attacks to missile strikes, but these strikes will be highly ineffective compared to previous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

3) A no fly zone will be established, but the U.S. navy will seek to stay out of range of high grade Russian missile technology in the hands of Syria, and this will make response time to the Syrian Air Force more difficult. Expect much higher American naval and air force casualties compared to Iraq and Afghanistan.

4) Iran will immediately launch troops and arms in support of Syria. Syria will become a bewildering combat soup of various fighting forces battling on ideological terms, rather than over pure politics and borders. Battles will spread into other countries, covertly and overtly, much like during Vietnam.

5) Israel will probably be the first nation to send official ground troops into Syria (and likely Iran), citing a lack of effectiveness of U.S. airstrikes. American troops will follow soon after.

6) Iran will shut down the Straight of Hormuz sinking multiple freighters in the narrow shipping lane and aiming ocean skimming missiles at any boats trying to clear the wreckage. Oil exports through the straight of Hormuz will stop for months, cutting 20% of the world's oil supply overnight.

7) The Egyptian civil war, now underway but ignored by the mainstream, will explode due to increased anger over U.S. presence in Syria. The Suez Canal will become a dangerous shipping option for oil exporters. Many will opt to travel around the Horn of Africa, adding two weeks to shipping time and increasing the cost of the oil carried.

8) Saudi Arabia will see an uprising of insurgency that has been brewing under the surface for years.

9) Gasoline prices will skyrocket. I am predicting a 75%-100% increase in prices within two-three months of any strike on Syria.

10) Travel will become difficult if not impossible with high gasoline costs. What little of our economy was still thriving on vacation dollars will end. Home purchases will fall even further than before because of the extreme hike in travel expenses required for families to move.

11) Russia will threaten to limit or cut off all natural gas exports to the EU if they attempt to join with the U.S. in aggression against Syria. The EU will comply due to their dependency on Russian energy.

12) Russia will position naval forces in the Mediterranean to place pressure on the U.S. I feel the possibility of Russia initiating direct confrontation with the U.S. is limited, mainly because countries like Russia and China do not need to engage the U.S. through force of arms in order to strike a painful blow.

13) China and Russia will finally announce their decision to drop the dollar completely as the world reserve currency. A process which already began back in 2005, and which global banks have been fully aware of for years.

14) Because of China's position as the number one exporter and importer in the world, many nations will follow suit in dumping the dollar in bilateral trade. The dollar's value will implode. China, Russia, and the war in Syria will be blamed, and global banks including the Federal Reserve will be ignored as the true culprits.

15) The combination of high energy prices and a devaluing dollar will strike retail prices hard. Expect a doubling of prices on all goods. Look for many imported goods to begin disappearing from shelves.

16) Homelessness will expand exponentially as cuts to welfare programs, including food stamps, are made inevitable. However, welfare will not disappear, it will merely be “adjusted” to fit different goals. The homeless themselves will be treated like criminals. The roaming bands of jobless drifters common during the Great Depression will not exist during a modern crisis. State and Federal agencies will pursue an “out of sight, out of mind” policy towards the indigent, forcing them into “aid shelters” or other bureaucratic contraptions designed to conditioning the homeless to accept refugee status, making them totally dependent on federal scraps, but also prisoners on federally designated camps.

17) Terrorist attacks (false flag or otherwise) will spread like wildfire. Israel is highly susceptible. The U.S. may see a string of attacks, including cyber attacks on infrastructure. Syria and it's supporters will be blamed regardless of evidence. The White House will begin broad institution of authoritarian powers, including continuity of government executive orders, the Patriot Act, the NDAA, etc.

18) Martial Law may not even be officially declared, but the streets of America will feel like martial law none the less.

19) False paradigms will flood the mainstream as the establishment seeks to divide American citizens. The conflict will be painted as Muslim against Christian, black against white, poor against rich (but not the super rich elites, of course). Liberty Movement activists will be labeled “traitors” for “undermining government credibility” during a time of crisis. The Neo-Conservatives will place all blame on Barack Obama. Neo-Liberals will blame conservatives as “divisive”. Liberty Movement activists will point out that both sides are puppets of the same international cabal, and be labeled “traitors” again. The establishment will try to coax Americans into turning their rage on each other.

20) The Homeland Security apparatus will be turned completely inward, focusing entirely on “domestic enemies”. The domain of the TSA will be expanded onto highways and city streets. Local police will be fully federalized. Northcom will field soldiers within U.S. border to deal with more resistant quarters of the country. Totalitarianism will become the norm.

What Can We Do Right Now?

The level of collapse, I suspect, will not be total. The government is not going to disappear, rather, it will become more dominant in its posture. Certain sections of the country will be maintained while others fall apart. The IMF will move in to “help” the ailing U.S. economy by tying funding to the SDR (Special Drawing Rights). America's economy will be absorbed by the IMF. Constitutional protections will be fully erased in the name of reestablishing “law and order”, with the promise that the loss of our civil liberties is “only temporary”.

If the U.S. strikes Syria, and refuses to disengage, these things WILL happen. So, the next question is what can we do about it?

1) Given that this crisis is going to be riding a wave of extremely high energy prices, every single Liberty Movement activist (and every American for that matter) should be stockpiling energy reserves. Motor oil, gasoline (with gas saver), diesel fuel, propane, etc. should be at the top of your list right now. A generator should be next. Prices are only going to rise from here on out. Buy reserves now, before it is too late.

2) Everyone in the Liberty Movement should have at least minimal solar power capability. A couple of 100 watt panels, an inverter, a charge controller, and two-four deep cycle batteries can be had for under $1000. You may not be able to run your house on it, but you can at least charge important electronics, run a well pump, run some lights, a security system, etc.

3) The internet as we know it will no longer exist. The White House will apply preexisting executive orders on U.S. communications to restrict internet use, or, a convenient cyber attack will take place, opening the door for federal controls. The web will likely still operate, but only as a shell of its former greatness. Certain sites and email providers will be designated “safe”, while others will be designated “unsafe”. This leaves a gaping hole in our society's ability to communicate information quickly and efficiently, and, it removes the alternative media from the picture. The best solution I can present for this problem is Ham Radio, which is very difficult for the establishment to shut down. Ham Radio communication chains could take the place of the internet as a lower-tech but useful means of spreading information across the country. In the next few months, EVERYONE in the Liberty Movement should have a Ham Radio set, or handheld model, and they should know how to use it.

4) Harden your home during the next few months. Place security bars on windows, and replace weak doors with steel core doors. An internal lock bar will still frustrate entry by those who might blast hinges. Add a fire suppression system for good measure. This might sound like overkill, but if you want to be able to sleep at night during such an event, you must make your home your castle. No one should be able to enter your house without your permission.

5) Learn a useful trade right now. If you don't already know how to produce or fix a necessary item or commodity, take the next six months to learn how. If you don't know how to teach a valuable skill, get to work. Barter and trade will become the primary method of economy during a dollar collapse. Make sure you are sought after within your local economy.

6) Cache items before winter begins. Do not assume you will be able to stay on your homestead indefinitely. There are no guarantees during collapse. A wildfire could reduce your neighborhood to ashes in hours. Your home could be overrun. Make sure you have secondary supplies in a safe location just in case.

7) Find two friends (or more) right now that are willing to coordinate with you in the event that the worst happens. This means mutual aid and defense. This means predetermined arrangements for supplies, communications, meeting spots, and security. Do it now. Do not wait until our situation worsens.

8) Buy six months worth of food over the course of the next two months. Bulk food, freeze dried, MRE's, whatever. Just buy it. Have a lot of food already? I don't care. Buy six more months of supplies now. You'll thank me later.

9) Cultivate nutrient rich soil before winter begins. Buy a truckload of planting soil and manure and create a garden space if you have not already. Purchase extensive seed storage. Compile books on growing methods.

10) Gauge the temperament of your neighborhood. If all of your neighbors are mindless brain eating zombies, then perhaps it would be better to share a home with a prepared family member in another region now. If not, then start a neighborhood watch. Two or three families working together is far stronger than only one, and can change the temperament of an entire block of homes.

11) Train for tactical movement over the next three months. Learn how to move, shoot, and communicate as a team. Learn your strengths and weaknesses today or suffer the consequences tomorrow.

12) Prepare yourself mentally for conflict and self defense. Sign up for at least six months of hand to hand defense training. Learn how to deal with the mental and emotional strain of another person trying to harm you. Get used to the idea, because where we're headed, someone, at some point, will probably want to do you in. Always maintain your conscience and your principles, but never allow yourself to become a victim.

The Tension Is Palpable

As I have said many times before, a fight is coming. There is no way around it. But this fight must be fought intelligently, and we must never forget who the REAL enemy is.

If a revolution ensues and Obama loses control, the establishment could simply trigger a Neo-Con or military coup in order to placate the masses and fool Constitutionalists into believing they have been saved. Useless solutions will be presented to the people, including new leadership composed of more old guard elitists, a disastrous Constitutional Convention, or limited secession (which will never be honored by the establishment anyway). The purpose of these false solutions will be to fool you into relaxing your vigilance, distracting you from seeking justice against globalist organizations, or, to redirect your energies away from self sufficient communities, counties, and states, ready to dispel aggressive establishment elements.

Beware of those who grasp too readily for leadership over you. Real leaders stand as teachers, not oligarchs, and rarely do they take on the role without considerable reservations. Never trust anyone who does not immediately back their promises with tangible action. And, never forget that we fight not just for the removal of one particular tyrant, but for Constitutional liberty itself. One must follow the other, or there has been no victory.

Though it is depressingly difficult to see in times like these, there is indeed good in this world. There are ideals, and aspirations, and visions, and loves worth standing up for, worth fighting for, and worth dying for. There is still a future worth striving for at the end of the long night. There are dreams here, in the hearts of men, worth realizing. We do not necessarily battle for what humanity is, but for what we have the potential to become. The tides of society may shift and storm, the chaos may become unbearable, and the world may tear apart until it is unrecognizable. The agents of dominion believe they are the only constant, but there is another. In time, the dim pale of tyranny will always break in the light of freedom's resolute. Get ready, honorable Liberty Movement, our work has just begun.

Quick, join my movement and pay me money!

[Perry Vale]

I bet the Illuminati are really p***ed off that's he's guessed all 20 parts of their plan!

Having said that, I do think that if Obama does strike against Syria, it will be looked back at as possibly the darkest day, and biggest mistake, of modern history....

[Rob McCow]

The thing that bugs me about the Syria situation is that if Assad has chemical weapons, why has he only used them once? They're stupidly effective at subduing / massacring a population in the most horrifying manner. His goal is to crush the opposition. He is supposed to have committed one highly visible act. If he did it once, and now everyone knows about it, why not do it again? If he was scared to use them either because he would lose his alliance with Russia or because it would incur the wrath of the US, then he wouldn't have used them at all.

Or something. Who knows.

[Dirk Gently]

But isn't Assad blaming the 'rebels'? That they gassed their own in order to get the world to help them get rid of Assad. If this is the case then Assad could hardly do it again & keep to the same story.

[Perry Vale]

18) Martial Law may not even be officially declared, but the streets of America will feel like martial law none the less.

Well there's an abundant amount of conspiracy talk about this, all linked to the "inevitable" Dollar collapse coming soon. The Department of Homeland Security has allegedly been buying billions of rounds of ammo, to use on home soil, as well as thousands of armoured DHS vehicles. And Obama has apparently been requesting thousands of foreign troops to fight on home soil (as they can't trust Americans to shoot Americans if ordered). This is why, some suggest, that Obama is in such a hurry to get US troops out to Syria (or wherever), then he'll fabricate some emergency at home - needing thousands of foreign troops to come to the US to help out.

Some say that the "Red Flag" that will finally indicate Martial Law is about to be implemented (in 72 Hours) will be a reported computer virus (probably by some nasty terrorists) that affects all of the banks. They will put out a story that they are closing them down for the weekend (on a Friday) to fix it. Martial Law will be announced on the Monday. And your savings will have been taken.

And in other news today, the weather was lovely!

[Rob McCow]

Some say that the "Red Flag" that will finally indicate Martial Law is about to be implemented

That sounds like such a good film. I'd go and see it.

Unfortunately although this is all crazy, it's kind of believable. I just don't understand why they'd want to ruin the lives of everyone in their own country for no good reason.

[Perry Vale]

Because they can't afford to keep borrowing money to prop up a thirteen TRILLION dollar debt.

[Perry Vale]

I bet the Illuminati are really p***ed off that's he's guessed all 20 parts of their plan!

Well, after posting that in jest, further reading reveals that 'THEY' have already published their plans in The Illuminati Card Game, a Steve Jackson card game first published in 1995.

Here the Illuminati apparently foretell the events of 9/11...




As well as the events in Japan in 2011, which some have dubbed 3/11...



Which some believe wasn't a natural disaster, but in fact a weather controlling programme called HAARP. This, it is alleged, was carried out because Japan so far refuses to be part of the New World Order plans, so their economy was attacked in this way. Some also note the colours of the five people in the foreground as being those of the Olympic rings....and Tokyo was just awarded the 2020 Olympics. Crazy!

There's many more, such as the Batman Theater Shootings....



Anyone read about these playing cards before? They are listed on Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illuminati_%28game%29 but no mention is made about such apparent foretelling imagery, but an initial internet search has found nothing to disprove these did come out in 1995 - with many citing their existence via personal testimony.