Revenge Of The Cybermen/Silver Nemesis - Cheaper Than Gold

[SiHart]

His complaints were justified perhaps in comparison to some of the other stories around it, but that doesn't mean it isn't entertaining in its own right. It's very entertaining, but perhaps not as sophisticated as the stories they would go on to do.

Steer clear of the commentary- it's pretty dull, though worth it for when David Collings remembers one of the lines from the story.

Si xx

[Perry Vale]

I was going to order this from Play last night, but ended up going for S7 of Smallville on Bluray for the same price. It'll now have to joing the growing list of Classic Who I need to get with Twin Dilemma, Masque and Kamelion Tales....

[Ralph]

Just got back from two weeks in sunny Cornwall at the weekend and got round to looking at the Revenge DVD. I was checking out the extras and thought it was great to see Barry Letts again - I was wondering how much more material on the various stories to come he completed..

I enjoyed the general feature on the story itself but best of all is the "cheques, lies and video tapes" one which in my view rates as one of the best extras for a while from the "golden era" £350 to see the Silurians back then equivalent to £800 now!!! - I totally identified with the excitement of seeing the rare stories particularly the five doctors repeats when I was a teenager back in '81 - couldn't wait till they got to the Pertwee one though

As for the forthcoming release - even in the short segment I thought they really struggled to make TATR look even midly exciting lol

[Ralph]

Watched the Nemesis extras... they didn't waste much time on those... I was grateful

[Dino]

Better late than Nerva (Has anyone done that one yet?) I should be able to buy this tomorrow!

[Jason Thompson]

Watched Silly Nem last night. Extras were nothing to write home about. The story is a mess. It's only three episodes long and crams in Nazis, Cybermen, a secret from the Doctor's past, a weapon, a 17th century pair, and yet each episode still has time to cram in some silly subplot involving the Queen, skinheads and Dolores Grey. The Cybermen cut the Nemesis statue out of the rocket sled and then, for no apparent reason, stick it in Peinforte's tomb rather than, say, keeping it safe in their ship and letting the ones with the bow and the arrow come to them. Their gold vulnerability is absurd here (though the production subtitles reveal that it was rather better written in the script). It's just a rambling mess of a story.

[Si Hunt]

I've never got the criticism of the gold vulnerability in this story. Every story has made it clear that Cybermen are destroyed when gold is forced into their chest units, suffocating them. So it's okay for a Cybermat to inject it, or a badge to be rubbed in, but not for it to be punctured by an arrow travelling at 60m per second. No, sorry, don't get it.

Si.

[Jason Thompson]

Every story has made it clear that Cybermen are destroyed when gold is forced into their chest units, suffocating them.

Let's qualify that: two stories have made that clear, and in both of those it took significant effort to actually get the gold into their chest units (the Doctor and Harry fail completely in their first attempt, and the Doctor has to tackle the Cyberleader in Earthshock and even that doesn't actually kill him until nine blasts from his own weapon get fired into him point blank).

So it's okay for a Cybermat to inject it, or a badge to be rubbed in, but not for it to be punctured by an arrow travelling at 60m per second. No, sorry, don't get it.

Si.

A gold tipped arrow would be useless, since gold is a very soft metal (as Harry points out to Sarah, and thus they escape from their gold shackles). Beaten into an arrowhead shape it should simply bend, not puncture the metal hide of an advanced alien that can't be harmed by bullets made of a harder metal going a lot faster. A gold coin flying from a catapult should just bounce off (see the point about bullets). If you got hit by a gold coin it would hurt but not break the skin, but apparently the Cybermen are so flimsy that it can puncture them and get in deep enough to kill immediately.

The problem is not with their vulnerability per se, but with the immediate and catastrophic effect it has on an otherwise invincible metal man. The script made the effect much slower acting, and had that made it to the final show the point would probably not be so contentious.

[Si Hunt]

And the episodes would be a lot less exciting.

Si.

[Jason Thompson]

Why? Was the climax of Earthshock less exciting because it actually took some effort to kill the Cyberleader?

[Lissa]

The idiocy of the situation is never more apparent than when De Flores claims his troops don't share the Cyber-allergy to golden arrows. I beg to differ - shoot a human with an arrow and they're going down, gold or no gold.

[Jason Thompson]

Well quite.

The point I am trying to get to is that you can make the story exciting without reducing the super-strong monsters to things that can be immediately killed by something that would make a normal person go 'ow' a bit.

[Dino]

Better late than never... finally got the box! And I'm going to watch Silver Nemesis first! Ha! Take that 2Entertain with your bourgeois running order!

although I will be watching the story in episode order... bit silly otherwise...

EDIT: One disappointing early evening visit to ASDA later... Uh, no. They didn't have it in stock. Sorry... I was a bit ahead of myself.

[Dino]

Ha! Now I've got it!
I was prepared to forgive Silver Nemesis and let the nostalgia shout down the mess... until I saw the documentary and I'll give Kevin Clarke his due?
He's got a pair between his legs to go to a meeting with no real idea of what he was actually going to write? Is it documented anywhere what the other rejected writers wanted to do? And then seeing the deleted scenes... it's tragic how a lot of amazing performances, that added depth to the characters, were cut from the actual show... and yet they still kept the skinheads in?
And what's my punishment for watching the crowd of tourists at Arundel House... and not recognizing any of them?

Tomorrow "Revenge..."!

[SiHart]

Currently £2.99 at HMV http://hmv.com/hmvweb/displayProduct...;-1&sku=663865

Si xx

[Andrew Curnow]

Crikey - thanks for pointing that out Si, that seems like a good price to me!

[Paul Monk]

I suspect thats a misprice. It'll be interesting to see how many people get one.

[Perry Vale]

I caught that price via Roobarbs, about an hour before Find DVD e-mailed me about it! My order seems to still stand at the moment, fingers crossed.

[Paul Monk]

Mine does too. I've been waiting all day for the order cancelled email but so far it hasn't arrived.

[Paul Monk]

Dear HMV Customer

We are writing to you in relation to your order for the following item:

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Artist: TV SCI FI &n bsp; &nbs p; &n bsp;
Title : DOCTOR WHO (DR): REVENGE OF THE CYBERMEN/SILVER NEMESIS: 2DVD: BOX SET

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Bugger! Just for a minute I was hopeful this might go through!

[SiHart]

Well it was worth a try Paul- there was always a chance that they might have honoured it.

Si xx

[Paul Monk]

Well given the financial trouble they're in they were probably never going to.
If you work it out they would need to sell 6 copies at £2.99 to make up the sale price of 1. Of course no-one will buy it from them for £18 so they'll be stuck with a load of copies.

[Perry Vale]

I got that e-mail too.

I'm annoyed as it was showing in stock when I ordered it.

[Paul Monk]

I'd be interested to know just how many orders they got at £2.99 vs the number of orders at other prices.

[Jon Masters]

Me too

I think I'll pass on £17.99