View Poll Results: How would you rate A Good Man Goes To War?
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10: A Good Man Goes To the Pub
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9: A Good Man Goes to Abergaveny
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8: A Good Man Goes To Mow... goes to mow a meadow
8 24.24% -
7: A Good Man Goes to Town for some shopping
4 12.12% -
6: A Good Man Goes to Market
2 6.06% -
5: A Good Man Goes Nowhere
1 3.03% -
4: A Good Man Goes To Put The Cat Out
0 0% -
3: A Good Man Goes To Pot
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2: A Good Man Goes to the Loo and Misses the Episode
2 6.06% -
1: A Good Man Goes To Sleep
1 3.03%
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5th Jun 2011, 6:29 PM #76
He does actually say something about how the humans will spread out across the galaxy and each one of them, even far in the future, will at some point look back and watch the Moon landing. There's definitely a "you will never ever be safe anywhere again" vibe to the threat.
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5th Jun 2011, 6:30 PM #77
How do you know it's not? Doctor certainly believes The Silence have been there since the dawn of time. And how do we know they can even leave Earth? How does he know? Cos I think it was said in that episode that console they have isn't mobile.
And, again, you're not addressing the main point of my argument- why does The Doctor think it's necessary to kill any of them anyway? It's never established. He asks one of them point blank, he says nothing, and that was it.
Gee, I'd hate to be arrested and interrogated by this guy.
He does actually say something about how the humans will spread out across the galaxy and each one of them, even far in the future, will at some point look back and watch the Moon landing. There's definitely a "you will never ever be safe anywhere again" vibe to the threat.
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5th Jun 2011, 6:41 PM #78
Please don't be ridculous.
The Doctor had no idea until the last ten seconds of the episode that River was the baby, and as a time traveller it's always possible he'll see someone he knows as an adult as a baby at some later point in his personal time stream. Rose Tyler, for one....
And I am genuinely curious about this: you seem to be totally down on this series now. lack of investment, low opinion of the actors and the plotting and so on. Why, with that in mind, have a viewing party? It just seems odd to me to have a party centred around something you're pretty sure you won't enjoy.
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5th Jun 2011, 6:44 PM #79
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5th Jun 2011, 6:47 PM #80
I wasn't addressing that, it's true. I think I made that quite clear.
The business about the Doctor's motives is a whole different question, and I agree the inclusion of a bunch of aliens you forget the moment you look away from opened up all sorts of problems. Even if he'd had a lengthy interrogation and had it all explained to him he'd have forgotten it. An excellent idea for an alien threat, but completely impractical for actually dealing with them.
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5th Jun 2011, 6:48 PM #81
Did I say I wish they'd brought back Gatiss's episode - or any of the other unrelated stories - back to the first half of the series and ended it after episode six? If I did, I've already forgotten because I'm hungover. But it would have been better, in one's humble. You get the big massive 'We're coming for you, Amy!' climax and then all the build-up of this week's story (fifteen Doctor-less minutes) really sets up the story of what's to come. (I was going to say in my review -but I forgot - that it was almost better to come to the story without having seen the preceding episodes because it jars a bit, that big jump of a few months from the end of The Almost People.) Now, there's going to be a few minutes of Let's Kill BatmanAtTheControls* spent retelling the story. Still, looking forward to it nonetheless.
Oh yeah, and I have to admit, I didn't like the River Song bit at the beginning, either - for exactly the reasons mentioned above by Jason about her swanning in and out of Stormcage as she pleased. It jars; and I'm rather disappointed that she doesn't meet the Doc in a strictly linear way anymore. But that's just me.
*Sorry, I had a 2004 flashback
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5th Jun 2011, 6:50 PM #82The idea of the Doctor being known as a great warrior makes good sense, but it is surprising to find a group of humans considering themselves to be at war with him
Anyway. The episode itself was good. I enjoyed it, and we got some much needed explanations; it was funny and satisfying to find Amy and Rory asking questions that had been posed on-line for months. The re-introduction of old costumes was reminscent of, but slightly more justified, than last year. Why wasn't Jack summoned up to fight in the Doctors army though?
Again, the team seem to have a slight issue with pacing. The music should have crashed in as Amy said "And he's on his way!" but it lingered on for about five minutes more. The start was a little dull and didn't really get anywhere, with a load of faceless soldiers emoting for minutes on end. Like many others, I thought the Sontaran Nurse was an excellent character, and broadened the scope of the race considerably.
The final "revelation" we'd guessed. Maybe being a fan ruined it, but I think it was too obvious. They'd kissed, so it was obviously a bit dicey her turning out to be a direct relative. Given Amy and Rory's mysterious future child had been hanging around, it wasn't too hard to guess. Maybe better if she'd been someone a little more convoluted? Still, Moffat is right, the beauty in the "end" is that it opens up a whole new load of storyline opportunities. What happens to the child now? When does she become estranged from Amy and Rory? Does the fact she is named after Pond and not Williams mean Amy and Rory split up at some point? Also now we know River can regenerate, I wonder why she didn't at the end of "Forest of the Dead"? Maybe the Alex Kingston river is the final incarnation? Or maybe she can only regenerate once?
I also thought Glynis Barber was excellent, and surely she has to come back as we still don't really know who she is.
The biggest thing working against this episode was, once more, the unwelcome amount of hype heaped upon it by the production team. Just as storyline twists arn't always "spoilers", a revelation is not the same as a Cliffhanger, unless your idea of an epic Doctor Who cliffhanger is the Doctor sauntering away happily in the TARDIS to look for a child he knows will be safe? Why call it a cliffhanger at all, let alone a "game changing" one. At every stage this half-season, I've been underwealmed by the big surprises, because Moffat has told me beforehand that they will be even better than they are. Also no shock or surprise has been unsignposted; it's been the equivilent of someone sitting at your shoulder the whole time and saying "Oh, you'll absolutely love this bit it's the best thing EVER". Simon was very disgruntled to open DWM the other day and even have the presence of the Sontarans and Silurians ruined by a big picture.
So anyway. Good episode, moved things on, maybe not an epic finale but then we're only at the mid-season point. I'm a little worried again about that pesky relocated Pirate episode. I really hope Amy won't be "okay" with the fact that her baby is missing and be happy to have swashbuckling adventures while they wait for her to turn up.
Si.
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5th Jun 2011, 6:53 PM #83
We all went to see X-Men together and since we all watch DW we decided to go back to one of the houses after the film and watch the finale. Simple as that. Not the typical viewing party, I suppose I wasn't clear on that.
And I'm just being critical that's all. Like I said before, I express my fandom differently.
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5th Jun 2011, 7:00 PM #84
I'm going to ignore last few pages worth ofr debate and just say that was superb. Really epic but also oddly unsettling especially the Doctor calling in debts. Loved the idea of the Silurian in Victorian times, it almost warrants a spin off series of its own.
I loved the Sontaran Nurse. How cool was he and a brilliant reflection of Rory's character. Here we have a warrior forced into being a nurse and in Rory we have a nurse forced into being a warrior! And speaking of Rory it was great to see him kick some butt. Arthur Davill as I've said before has been superb in the series. And The Doctor was brilliant. The same person we've had all season but with a disturbing edge. The best bit of all is that I think I have an idea of what actually happens in the first two episodes now, where this is all leading and the Doctor dashing off at the end is him setting things up for that. As someone said earlier, the line where he says perhaps he needs to give up, is very significant.
This certainly is the Doctor's darkest day and not because he's at his darkest!
Oh and I loved the appearance of Danny Boy and the pirates as well. Some small daft cameos that made me smile.
So its a 9 from me, only because like Dave, I found it went a bit flat at the end.
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5th Jun 2011, 7:03 PM #85
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5th Jun 2011, 7:05 PM #86
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5th Jun 2011, 7:06 PM #87
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5th Jun 2011, 7:12 PM #88
Yeah, he just sort of turned up randomly
Still, thanks to Joe and the mysterious child seats (that looked like small tubs you put your keys and metallic possessions in at the airport) he got from god knows where he was able to hold our seats towards the front of the theater.
So I'm not complaining
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5th Jun 2011, 7:21 PM #89
Right, quick review - loved it, loved it, loved it! 9.5/10
I can understand a little while others might not have praised it quite so much, and I think it ultimately comes down from what you want and expect from the series, or at least one of the "Big" episodes like this. For me, I want it to be a massive forty five minute thrillride which leaves me on a high, with a massive grin on my face. With lots of cool set pieces, some lovely surprises (bar, perhaps, the River reveal, but I thought it was still brilliantly done), delicious dialogue and a breakneck pace. Throw in characters you love, and truly excellent acting from the lead, and you've got a programme that I massively enjoyed.
As for various comments so far...
I never listened to any hype, I never read anything at all about this series, as I may have mentioned in another thread, and it paid off in spades.
Doctor Who will return in Let's Kill Hitler! Excellent!!!!!!!
Apart from me being wrong on the whole "rape" thing...
...I can safely say "I told you so" to everyone who was arguing with me about the fact how Steven Moffat isn't as clever as he makes himself out to be and is actually just making things more complicated for the sake of making them so.
I guess it comes down to your view on River, but I love the character, and how whilst it was ultimately designed as a weapon against the Doctor, the final moments of the episode suggest it will indeed become his salvation! And if that's not brilliant, I don't know what is!
Haven't got the time to respond to all of your comments, but I'll try and do a few (and this is only to try and persuade you to give the series a second chance, in the hope you might enjoy it more. 'Cause I'm nice like that! )
2. What was the point of the opening? People were complaining on the other thread of RTD spending big bucks on the whole "Galifrey Citadel" effect- wonder why they're not complaining about this opening sequence with Rory on the Cybermen ship. Why was this important? Why did the Cybers know anything about the cleric having Amy? Did they even know? Has Moffat forgotten that Cybermen aren't robots but actually cyborg beings and he has just written (yet again) that The Doctor has committed genocide for NO REASON?
4. Yet again, there's been no real tone or stakes set for River being in the Stormcage...
8. Yet again we have an episode where Moffat shoehorns a bunch of familiar aliens to come together- only this time they help The Doctor! ::LAME::
12. So who's the big bad again? Why did the TARDIS explode at the end of "Pandorica Opens"? Why hasn't The Doctor been concerned with this or who sent him the letter in IA?
13. I'd talk about the Silence, but I know someone's just gonna tell me to wait for the latter half of the season.
14. Again- as I've mentioned before- Moffat makes things more complicated to make them more complicated- HOW HARD IS IT TO STEAL A BABY FROM A PREGNANT WOMAN??? I mean, REALLY??
Why go through the effort? Why be so obvious about it?
Y'know, had The Ponds stayed behind on Earth after the Xmas episode and had the baby, they would've been pretty susceptible to just about anyone. So why didn't they just snatch the kid then?
In fact, they could've gotten away with planting a ganger baby and the Ponds would've never known the difference. The Doctor certainly wouldn't know what was up... I mean, if you're so intent on getting back at The Doctor, don't you think the element of "SURPRISE" would be the best tactic with which to carry out your plan?
Cos they even say in the episode the whole "Timelord" gene and conception happened on the Ponds wedding night. And Amy was abducted even before America...
Soo... see what I mean about Moffat wasting everyone's time?
16. Anyone else getting a creepy pedo vibe now about the whole Doctor/River thing? I mean, would anyone else bone someone they carried in their hand as a baby?
And at this point, I understand what Alex meant about not feeling so strongly cos he's not so ultimately invested in the series. Cos I've now taken on that same attitude, because my expectations for anything Moffat takes a part in are below the floor.
The episode was an exciting adventure and I loved it.
I didn't buy it. We actually had a viewing party for this one and no one was convinced that Smith was at all menacing or lethal.
What a nice man.
So I don't buy this whole genocide/murderous rampage angle cos there hasn't been any development for this Doctor to make me believe it. It's literally come out of nowhere.
This really just goes back to the fact Moffat has somehow lost his knack for strong characterization.
His ego has become his Achilles Heel.
Anyway, I've rambled enough for now, and I'm sure you all get the gist of my argument and then some! Sorry that so many points are yours Beastie btw, but they're the ones I've disagreed with the most...Last edited by Alex; 5th Jun 2011 at 7:29 PM.
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5th Jun 2011, 7:56 PM #90Close embrace
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2 out of 10
A non story really, it was something I'd expect from George Lucas if he ever took over. I expect far more from Steven Moffat after excelling at the odd episode during RTD's years.
Why make Rory dress as a centurion? Why not just materialise, grab Amy and go? So River is the daughter of Amy and Rory- slightly under whelming; and why did the Doctor go all funny? " Did we <kissing noises> "What's that got to do with it? All that build up.
Arrogant trash.
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5th Jun 2011, 8:09 PM #91
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5th Jun 2011, 8:22 PM #92Why make Rory dress as a centurion?
Why not just materialise, grab Amy and go?
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5th Jun 2011, 8:22 PM #93
If I had to re-assess my RTD era scores, I'd bump them all up. They've stood the test of time!
Why make Rory dress as a centurion? Why not just materialise, grab Amy and go? So River is the daughter of Amy and Rory- slightly under whelming; and why did the Doctor go all funny? " Did we <kissing noises> "What's that got to do with it? All that build up
One thing no-one has said, is that Amy is said to have been copied as the Flesh BEFORE America. So does that mean this Amy hasn't seen the Doctor die? But Rory has? Has he told her? Or is she linked to her Flesh double such that she knows everything that happened to it?
At the start of the season, Amy knew the Doctor was going to die but he didn't. As things may now have panned out, it's now the reverse.
Si.
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5th Jun 2011, 8:25 PM #94I must admit it was very odd the way Rory was dressed as a Centurion for no reason. And I hadn't thought of why the Doctor didn't just grab Amy, but it's a good point!
One thing no-one has said, is that Amy is said to have been copied as the Flesh BEFORE America. So does that mean this Amy hasn't seen the Doctor die? But Rory has? Has he told her? Or is she linked to her Flesh double such that she knows everything that happened to it?
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5th Jun 2011, 8:29 PM #95
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5th Jun 2011, 8:30 PM #96
Oh Travis!
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5th Jun 2011, 8:37 PM #97
Oh Prime.
Si.
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5th Jun 2011, 8:42 PM #98
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6th Jun 2011, 2:39 AM #99
Ok that's it. I give up.
I don't even know where to start with why that was just such.... tat.
All the stuff that Alex listed as good things would be on my list of reasons why i can't stand to go on any longer.
Smith, get out whilst you still can!
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6th Jun 2011, 3:26 AM #100
Why did I think this was utter shite?
1. Massacring the Cybermen. Yes, this is probably the most commented thing. But there was no need for it. It was simply there to establish "just how pissed the Doctor is"(tm). It was extremely out of character (especially since they were entirely unrelated to the whole kidnapping of Amy and Melody thing) and just plain unnecessary.
2. Oh look, let's get Sontarans, Judoon, Silurians and Cybermen on screen together. RTD's way of making things "epic" (and I use that in the traditional way, rather than the modern usage) was to destroy the universe. Moffat's is to raid the costume cupboard. Yawn.
3. River Song constantly waltzing in and out of Stormcage. You'd think that they'd either improve their security or move her to a different facility. Makes a mockery of the whole thing.
4. After centuries of helping humanity, and heck... it's even been established that the Clerics work with the Doctor (in Flesh and Stone), so why are they trying to kill him here?
5. In fact, what's the point in bringing in the Headless Monks? Madame Kovarian said that the whole thing was a massive deception. But they'd already replaced Melody with a flesh avatar. The Doctor had already had his battle and was convinced that he'd won with a bloodless struggle. So, why bring in the Headless Monks and kill a load of people? It's essentially padding and thus bad plotting.
6. River Song. Again. [sarcasm]Because NONE of us saw that coming[/sarcasm]. I suppose Steven Moffat will continue telling us that we're wrong to think that the "good man" that she killed wasn't as simple as The Doctor. And then reveal it to be her in that Spacesuit in The Impossible Astronaut. Yes, this is a guess. I could be wrong, but I wouldn't be surprised at all.
7. Was that really a game-changing cliffhanger? I mean, honestly. It was hyped up SO much, and then it was just nothing.
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