Rate and Discuss: The Angels Take Manhattan

[Perry Vale]

Some great ideas badly executed.

Just watched it again, and that sums it up for me too. A very badly explained plot, and conclusion.

Questions....

Couldn't Rory and/or Amy have escaped with River's Vortex Manipulator?

How does River find Amy to get the book published?

It's not, though, is it?

I meant as a plot device.

[Zbigniev Hamson]

Statue of Liberty? Utter shoite. Even taking away the notion that a 200 ft construct made of stone could walk, unnoticed, along the streets of the city that doesn't sleep, angels are aliens. real aliens. They're NOT any (or worse ALL) old statues imbued with life. It was unnecessary and lazy writing.

And it's not even made of stone anyway.

[Si Hunt]

Mike makes a good point. The Angels are alien life forms that turn to stone when looked at. So what actually was the Liberty Angel? A Weeping Angel that fancied a bit of dressing up?

Si.

[duncan]

I'm sure there was a line quite early in the episode (I can't remember who said it) which highlighted that "The Angels have taken over ever statue in the city." That would be why the Statue of Liberty was an Angel.

Also, am I wrong in my thinking that Angels can move quickly in the blink of an eye. So would the Statue of Liberty really be stomping around the city?

[Si Hunt]

But what does that actually mean, "taken over"? Presumably these creatures, whose physical constraints seem to change on a whim, haven't now aquired the ability to "possess" ordinary stone? So maybe it means substitution? Maybe one day will find a whole load of old statues (including Lib!) dumped into the Atlantic? But just why was the SoL Angel so big? What, again, exactly was it?

Si.

[MinaHarker]

This doesn't really answer the questions, as I'm sure there was some 'timey-wimey' explanation offered during that last graveyard scene as to why he couldn't, but... at least within the internal logic of this episode, surely the answer is he can't now go along and see them because he's read Amy's Afterword, which is clearly written by an Amy who never saw him again after that day. So it's fixed.

Just a thought.

I agree.

Also, didn't the Doctor ay something about NYC being unable to take another paradox without exploding? And haven't we heard somewhere before about the Doctor himself being a massive paradox?

[Jason Thompson]

And haven't we heard somewhere before about the Doctor himself being a massive paradox?

If I recall correctly he did describe himself as a 'complex space-time event' or somesuch thing in Flesh and Stone, as he proposed using himself to seal the crack which was eventually sealed by the Angels falling into it.

The Angels are a scary concept, diluted by Moffatt's insistence on rewriting their nature every time they appear. They're ancient aliens who freeze to stone when they are seen as a consequence of their biology. Or they freeze because they instinctively do it when they assume they can be seen. Or they can take over statues (including one huge hollow one made of copper). I suppose they're his own creations so he's free to re-write them as much as he wants, but it gets a bit much when they change in every episode. Still, you'd have to agree that the central idea that they can't move when you can see them but are really unbelievably fast when you can't is damn scary!

Don't turn your back, don't look away, and DON'T blink!

[Jason Thompson]

surely the answer is he can't now go along and see them because he's read Amy's Afterword, which is clearly written by an Amy who never saw him again after that day. So it's fixed.

Just a thought.

The only problem with that is that he didn't read the afterword until he'd already decided it was fixed, so if he'd kept to his original plan of never reading the last page so the story doesn't have to end...

Remember the good old days when companions left because they wanted to, or because he had to leave them behind, or because they just plainly and simply died?

[Si Hunt]

Or married off!

It would have been really refreshing and traditional if Amy had suddenly just decided to marry that American bloke from the start and off she went.

Si.

[Richard Brinck-Johnsen]

I don't recall any past companions committing bigamy though.

[Si Hunt]

As far as we know. When Vicki got marooned in Greece I bet she had a cockatoo.

Si.

[Richard Brinck-Johnsen]

Maybe, I reckon that Dodo was probably committing polygamy throughout space and time. It's always the quiet ones.

[Stuart Wallis]

I'd heard rumours involving a couple of Monoids...

If I recall correctly he did describe himself as a 'complex space-time event' or somesuch thing in Flesh and Stone, as he proposed using himself to seal the crack which was eventually sealed by the Angels falling into it.

A sort-of law of physics unto himself...

[Zbigniev Hamson]

So what actually was the Liberty Angel?

A stupid idea?

[Perry Vale]

...surely the answer is he can't now go along and see them because he's read Amy's Afterword, which is clearly written by an Amy who never saw him again after that day. So it's fixed.

Shame Amy didn't ask the Doctor to tell little Amelia 'never, ever go to New York, under ANY circumstances' among the other things she asked him....

Any takers for answering the two questions I posted in my previous post?

[Jon Masters]

Any takers for answering the two questions I posted in my previous post?

" Use your imagination " (c) Supporters of NuHoo Writers

(can't answer myself - haven't watched it yet )

[Anthony Williams]

" Use your imagination " (c) Supporters of NuHoo Writers

The writers' fun euphemism for "I couldn't be bothered to come up with a good explanation for it in my script"

[Dirk Gently]

I saw Amy blink during her final stand-off with the angel in the graveyard.

You did, but the Doctor & River were watching the angel as well.
The real problem was how did the Angel touch Amy while blocking the Doctor's view whilst River could still see it?

[Richard Brinck-Johnsen]

You did, but the Doctor & River were watching the angel as well.
The real problem was how did the Angel touch Amy while blocking the Doctor's view whilst River could still see it?

The Angel's touch is still deadly even when it's quantum locked. Amy touched the angel after saying goodbye having chosen to send herself back in time.

[Si Hunt]

Wait, since when? The Angels are harmless when they are quantum locked, because they turn to stone.

Si.

[Anthony Williams]

Yay for more inconsistencies!

[Si Hunt]

It's all just bollocks really isn't it.

Si.

[Stuart Wallis]

Don't tempt me to answer in the affirmative!

[SiHart]

I've been trying to tell you all this since the Angels first appeared, but you wouldn't listen to me!

[Si Hunt]

It wasn't bollocks then, it all made sense. It's just since then he keeps changing the rules.

Si.