Children in Need special 2012!

[Dirk Gently]

The Snowmen!! Aled Jones will never sound the same again.

[Nyder]

I'm sending a spin-off with Mdme Vastra & Co already. Jago & Litefoot have some serious competition.

[Stuart Wallis]

The Snowmen!! Aled Jones will never sound the same again.

Not if I can help it...

Christmas is coming
And if I hear Aled Jones
It won't be me who's making
Lots of very nasty moans.

[Nyder]

I'm not sending, I'm sensing.

[J.R. Southall]

Don't forget you can buy this book written by some members of PS to help contribute to Children in Need: http://miwkpublishing.com/store/inde...&product_id=25

Oh Si, you are a sweetheart!

I've got to say, the prequel left me a little nonplussed, although the trailer certainly gave me a buzz. Love those snowmen!

[SiHart]

My pleasure, JR.

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[J.R. Southall]

I just hope Tim comes up with the goods, but even Matt agrees it looks very like he's going to.

(Which if you don't know what it refers to, probably looks like a very random post indeed on this thread!)

[SiHart]

I'm keeping my fingers crossed!

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[Si Hunt]

The trailer was really exciting. Loved the evil snowmen.

The "prequel" episode, on the other hand, was not. Three characters we don't care about, talking. At length. It was only about three minutes long, and actually made me bored in the middle, which is quite an achievement. Should have just shown the trailer instead.

Si.

[Richard Brinck-Johnsen]

On the other hand I was delighted by the return of Madam Vastra, Jenny and Strax as was my nephew

[Llordllama]

Ditto myself and Mrs Llama. I too would very much like a Lesbian Lizard lady and her sappho pal (featuring Strax) spin off series. If only to detail Strax's valiant efforts to fight moonites!

[Ian Lethbridge-Stewart]

On the other hand I was delighted by the return of Madam Vastra, Jenny and Strax as was my nephew

I don't remember who they are!

[J.R. Southall]

Count me as another who was happy to see the trio returning. I don't think the prequel showed them off terribly well, but I'm sure the Christmas episode will make up for that.

[Richard Brinck-Johnsen]

I don't remember who they are!

I had to explain to this to my nephew's Mum so you're in good company.
They all previously appeared in the Series 6 mid season finale (episode 7) "A Good Man Goes To War" .
Strax was previously working as a nurse, Madam Vastra may have been responsible for the death of Jack the Ripper.

[Jason Thompson]

Once again Steven Moffat can't kill a character and leave them dead. Strax worked brilliantly in A Good Man Goes To War. His reappearance here just felt cheap and tacky, and massively diminished his dignified presence and rather moving death from the earlier episode.

[SiHart]

Perhaps they cloned him

[Jason Thompson]

Pretty sure they did... lol

It's just typical writing from a man who has killed and resurrected characters so often that death has become rather cheap in Doctor Who, and yet at the same time they're emphasising death scenes for characters. That's probably my biggest problem with the series under Moffat.

[SiHart]

I'm not too hot on A Good Man Goes To War, as it's not a favourite episode of mine, but could this all be set from the POV of Vashtra, Jenny and Strax before that episode? I can't remember if there's anything in the episode to imply that the three of them have never met before...

[Si Hunt]

I just don't think the three characters are especially funky. Strax was quite funny in his first episode but I can't even remember what Jenny looks like and the concept of a lesbian Silurian has that irritating fan-baiting pub-wheeze feel to it.

Si.

[Jason Thompson]

It's certainly possible, but doesn't quite fit. Strax was in the Crimean war in full Sontaran garb when we met him in AGMGTW, and there's a very strong implication that he hasn't seen the Doctor between his exile there and him arriving to collect on the debt. There was a whole thing about him being punished by being made to be a nurse and care for the sick rather than a warrior out fighting, and him being dressed in a suit in Victorian London before then just doesn't fit. It also would mean we have another bunch of characters meeting the Doctor in the wrong order in his personal timestream, so Moffat is playing more wibbly wobbly timey wimey crap.

On another note, the moron declaring war on 'moonites' on an uninhabited Moon just because it's there is not the dignified Sontaran we saw in AGMGTW either. So we've got a great character who had a fantastic death scene, resurrected as some militaristic pillock just because someone thought he should have more screen time, apparently.

[SiHart]

I quite liked the Moonites thing, and thought it was just another ploy to try and get the Doctor's attention rather than being a real or even militaristic thing on his part.

[Simon R]

I don't get Jenny or Strax and the Silurian. I honestly struggle to think of any scenes they were in or anything they've contributed to the series. It feels like something that's passed me by completely.

[Simon R]

I don't even know their names!

[Si Hunt]

Madam Volva is the missing one. Isn't it?

Si.

[Stuart Wallis]

That spelling could have gone very, very wrong!